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台灣菲律賓  廣大興事件國際版懶人包

Taiwan–Philippine International version of Guang Da Xing Incident

 

這是一個冷血謀殺的行為,一個屠殺手無寸鐵無辜漁民的暴行。

This incident was a cold-blooded murder. This was a cruel and violent action that resulted in the fatal shooting of an innocent unarmed fisherman.

 

 

如果你願意為弱勢的受害者伸張正義,請按讚、轉寄、分享這個連結。謝謝。

If you would like to prevail the justice for victims, please press like, forward, and share this link. Thank you.

 

 

如果你只有兩分鐘,請直接瀏覽以下影片。

If you only got two minutes, please check the video below.

  

 

 

如果你有十分鐘,想要快速瞭解本一事件,本網頁將每日更新廣大興事件懶人摘要,歡迎轉寄分享。

If you have ten minutes, want to understand this incident fast and further, this website will show you the summary of Guang Da Xing Incident. We will renew daily.

 

不用另行通知作者,註明出處連結即可。

 Sharing is absolutely welcome. Notify the owner is not needed, just cite the origin.

 

 

 

 

2013/5/9

 

台灣漁船「廣大興28號」在2013年5月9日於臺灣東南方海域捕魚。上午9時45分漁船於巴林坦海峽(北緯20.07度,東經123.01度,也是台灣的經濟海域範圍內)遭到菲律賓海巡署的公務船(Maritime Control Surveillance 3001)以機槍射擊,造成65歲的老漁夫洪石成中彈身亡。廣大興號其餘船員啟動自動駕駛將漁船駛回台灣。

 At around 9:45 a.m. on May 9, 2013, the Taiwanese fishing boat Guang Da Xing No. 28 was fired upon by an unknown Philippine vessel at 20.07 degrees north latitude and 123.01 degrees east longitude.The location was 164 nautical miles southeast of Eluanbi where the waters of the Taiwan and the Philippines overlap but 5 nautical miles within the temporary enforcement line along points 8 and 9.The boat was severely damaged, and a Taiwanese crew member, Hong Shi-Cheng(aged 65), was shot and killed. The Philippine vessel sailed away, while the rest of crew members of Guang Da Xing No. 28 turned on auto-pilot mode and

sailed back to Taiwan.

 海域圖  

 

 

  

 

晚間七點經菲律賓方回復,確認本事件中的攻擊船艦乃菲律賓之公務船。

At 7p.m. Philippine confirmed that the Philippine Coast Guard/Bureau of Fisheries and Aquatic Resources maritime patrol boat “Maritime Control Surveillance 3001” was responsible for the attack.

 

 

 菲國漁船射殺我船  

 洪石成家屬痛哭  

洪石成家屬痛哭2  

 

 

2013/5/10

 

台灣外交部針對廣大興號事件表示強烈抗議與譴責,但菲律賓拒絕道歉,僅願意表示同情。

 The Ministry of Foreign Affair (MOFA) of Taiwan lodged a strong protest against the Philippine government and demanded that the Philippines issue an official apology, bring the perpetrators to justice and offer just compensation. However, Philippine government refused to apologize and only expressed condolences and regret over the unfortunate death of the Taiwanese crew member Hong Shi-Cheng.

 

 

 

2013/5/11

 

經過台灣檢察署指揮鑑識人員針對船身周邊彈孔蒐證,清點出子彈彈孔高達52處。

There are a total of 52 bullet holes found on this Taiwanese fishing vessel according to the investigators of Taiwan Prosecutors Office.

 

 廣大興遭射擊示意圖5  

廣大興遭射擊示意圖3    

 

 

    事件罹難者洪石成遭到單一頸部左下段貫穿性槍傷,貫穿左頸動脈、氣管、食道,第2-6 胸椎爆裂橫斷,主動脈、左上肺葉、右上及右下肺葉破裂,大量出血及氣胸、血胸,低血容性休克及呼吸衰竭死亡。因死者第2-6胸椎嚴重爆裂且橫斷,法醫研判,菲律賓公務船使用的是高射速、火力強大的槍械,推測可能是步槍或機關槍。

    The victim of the incident – Hong Shi-Cheng suffered from penetrating gunshot injury through  left lower segment of  neck, through left carotid artery , trachea, esophagus, 2nd to 6th thoracic bursting transverse vertebral injury, aorta, left upper lung, right upper and right lower lung rupture, which lead to massive blood loss, pneumothorax, hemothorax, hypovolemic shock, and respiratory failure. Due to the severe bursting and transverse injury of victim over 2nd to 6th thoracic vertebra, forensic investigator determined that fast shooting and intensive firearms was used by Philippine government vessel. Investigator then suggested that weapons might be the rifles or machine guns.

洪石成2  

 

洪石成  

 

晚間,台灣要求菲律賓政府72小時內正式向台灣以及受害漁民道歉、賠償損失、儘速徹查事實及嚴懲兇手,以及儘速啟動臺、菲漁業協議談判。若在期限內未回應,台灣將採取抗議制裁措施。

In the evening, Taiwanese government asked the Philippine government to respond to four demands: a formal apology; compensation; an expeditious investigation followed by the severe punishment of the perpetrators, and the speedy arrangement of negotiations on fishery matters. If the Philippine government does not respond positively to those demands within 72 hours, Taiwanese government will take the measures in protest.

 

 

 

2013/5/12

 

    菲律賓無回應。

 No further responds from Philippines.

 

 

 

2013/5/13

 

    菲律賓表示是台灣漁船先挑釁才開槍嚇阻,菲方僅開一兩槍。要等調查結果出爐再決定是否要道歉。菲律賓總統府女發言人華爾地(Abigail Valte)一邊回答問題還一邊笑,表現輕挑。

 

    Philippines claimed that the shot was fired because Taiwanese fishing vessel attempted to ram their BFAR (Bureau of Fisheries and Aquatic Resources) vessel. The BFAR only fired 2 shots to warn them. Philippines will decide whether or not to apologize when the result of investigation comes out.

    During the press conference, Philippine deputy presidential spokesperson, Abigail Valte inappropriately smiled when she responded to the questions about this tragedy.

女發言人笑1   

女發言人笑2  

   

 

 

 

 

2013/5/14

 

    菲律賓政府對於是否道歉與賠償態度反覆,前後對台灣提出四種不同版本的說法。

    Philippine government behaved inconsistently on the issues of official apology
and compensation. It has brought up 4 different versions of statement.

 菲律賓敷衍  

 

 

   

 

 

 

2013/5/15

 

    超過72小時時限後,菲律賓總統僅派代表在凌晨的記者會上,以總統”個人身分”表示遺憾(regret)與道歉(apology),但不以菲律賓政府的身分道歉。另外也拒絕賠償台灣漁民與漁船的傷亡和損失,僅願以民間捐款”援助”(assist)。

    On the press conference in midnight after 72 hours deadline, instead of a official apology on behave of Philippine Government, Philippine President only sent his representative to made his “personal” regret and apology. He also rejected to provide for compensation for losses and only agreed to “assist” the victims by private donations.

 

 

拒絕道歉2  

 

 

    下午菲律賓派菲國政府授權馬尼拉經濟文化辦事處理事主席裴瑞茲(Amadeo Perez Jr.)表達『菲律賓人民』之遺憾與道歉,刻意避開『菲律賓政府』字樣;『調查懲凶』方面,只承諾由國家調查局調查,並未交代對違法者可能的刑事或行政控訴及處分;『損害賠償』方面,僅願向家屬致贈菲國人民捐款,避談菲國政府應負全部責任;『漁業談判』也未依承諾邀台灣共同研商。」

In the afternoon, Manila Economic and Cultural Office(MECO) Chairman Amadeo R. Perez, Jr. traveled to Taiwan as the designated reperesentative of Presient Benigno S. Aquino III of the Republic of the Philippines, conveying regrets and apology from his president and the people of the Philippines to the family of deceased Taiwanese fisherman Hong Shi-Cheng and the people of Taiwan.

 

He deliberately avoided the use of “Philippine government.” On the issues of investigation and punishment, he only promised the Philippine National Bureau of Investigation (NBI) will conduct an investigation of this incident. Possible criminal charges, administrative appeals and punishments of those delinquents were not mentioned. On the issues of compensation, he only promise to deliver donations given by the people of the Philippines to the family as sympathy for their loss. The responsibility of Philippine government was neither brought up, and the Taiwan government was not invited to have a negotiation of fishing rights as promised. 

拒絕道歉   

 

 

 

 

    因為層級太低,道歉誠意不足,遭到台灣政府的外交部拒絕接見。但裴瑞茲持續表達歡迎台灣政府派調查團至菲律賓共同調查此一事件。

    Since  the level of representative was too low and the apology was insincere and inadequate, the Ministry of Foreign Affair (MOFA) of Taiwan refused to meet the deputation. However, Amadeo R. Perez, Jr. kept inviting Taiwanese government to start a joint investigation into this incident with Philippine. 

 

 

 

2013/5/16

 

    台灣依照雙方協議派事件調查團到菲律賓調查,但菲律賓改口宣稱菲方並不知情,且並未同意共同調查。

    Taiwanese government sent its investigation team to Philippine according to the agreement made by both sides. However, Philippines then claimed that they did not aware of the matters and did not allow Taiwan to jointly probe the case with Philippine authorities.

 

 

 

 菲國總統  

 

 

 

2013/5/17

 

    菲律賓公布菲方調查報告,宣稱廣大興號,是壞人(Really Bad Guy)。非法入侵菲國領海,企圖衝撞菲國公務船,後又逃逸,菲國才開槍嚇阻。現場並展示展示海防隊移交的15把槍械,包括8M16突擊步槍、6M14步槍和1把機關槍。

    Philippine published their investigation report which described Guang Da Xing No. 28 as a Really Bad Guy. They claimed that Guang Da Xing illegally intruded their territory waters and intended to ram into their government vessel and ran away, leading it to open fire in self-defense. Philippines authorities then displayed the total of 15 firearms on that PCG patrol boat including eight M16, six M14 and one machine gun.

 

 

菲律賓展示槍   

 

    台灣回應,廣大興號當時位處雙方共同經濟海域(等同公海)。這艘小船噸數僅15噸,長度是14公尺,是玻璃纖維與保麗龍製造的輕型船隻,且船上並無任何自動武器。以任何常理推斷,或是以相驗出的所有證據推斷,無武裝且一撞就會破損甚至沈船的捕魚船怎麼可能去衝撞菲國噸數高達115噸,鋼板製造,且重度武裝的公務船?

    However, Guang Da Xing No. 28 was located at overlap economic zone (which is equivalent to high seas). In addition, the Philippine law-enforcement vessel weighs a total of 115.45 tons and is made by steel while the Taiwanese fishing boat is a small, unarmed boat which measures 14.7 meters by 3.68 meters, merely weighs 15.15 tons and is only made by fiber glass and Styrofoam. From either common sense or the currently collected evidence, anyone can tell - how was it possible that an unarmed, light watercraft would dare to ram into steelplate-made government vessel with heavy weapons?

 

兩船size比較  
  

廣大興遭射擊示意圖2    

 

  

廣大興遭射擊示意圖  

    廣大興號船身經檢驗確認,僅有彈孔五十餘處,無任何擦撞痕跡,菲國官方的謊言不攻自破。

    The evidence collected by the investigators showed that the fishing boat had been riddled with more than 50 bullet holes but no signs of impact mark were found. The false tale of Philippine authorities betrays itself.

 

 

 

 

 

 

2013/5/18

 

    菲國持續違反協議,拒絕台灣調查團進行本次事件相關調查。台灣調查團招開國際記者會後返回台灣。

    Philippines kept violating its agreement and rejected Taiwanese investigation team to probe into this incident. Taiwanese investigation team held an international press conference and returned to Taiwan.

調查小組   

 

 

    菲國代表裴瑞茲宣稱在台期間被記者踢。但經證實,全程有多名護衛且到處均有攝影,裴瑞茲完全提不出任何證據。

    Philippine Representative, Amadeo R. Perez, Jr. claimed that he was kicked by Taiwanese reporter. However, there were several bodyguards to protect him during the whole travel in Taiwan. Cameras were everywhere when he appeared in public. Mr. Amadeo R. Perez, Jr. was not able to offer any evidence to confirm his claim.

 

培瑞茲保護  

 

 

 

 2013/5/19

 

 菲律賓網路瘋傳一張台灣人集體上街攻擊菲律賓勞工的照片,但經證實是偽造的訊息。本照片來自2009中國新疆的暴動

A photograph was quickly spreaded throghout Philippine Internet. It specified how Taiwanese attacked Filipinos on streets. However, the photograph was actually shot during the street riots in XinJiang, China, 2009, which proved that the message was a phoney.

新疆暴動

 

 

 

2013/5/20

 

菲律賓總統艾奎諾三世拒絕對台灣道歉。僅願對被菲國公務船射殺的漁民賠償台幣100萬元(約美金三萬左右)。

 

Presient Benigno S. Aquino III of the Republic of the Philippines refused to make the formal apologize to Taiwan. He would only donate NT$1 million (which is about US$30,000) to the victim.

 

 
 

 

2013/5/21

 

連日在國際媒體上散播台灣商店拒賣便當給菲律賓勞工的消息,被證實是不真實的謠言。散佈者被警局查出約談之後,公開道歉

 

It is confirmed the news spreading Internationally these days about bento stores refused to sell Philippine labors was a made up story. The rumormonger was identified and interviewed by police officers. She then made a public apology.

 

董小姐  

 

 

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這是一個冷血謀殺的行為,一個屠殺手無寸鐵無辜漁民的暴行。

This incident was a cold blooded murder. This is a cruel and violent action that resulted in the fatal shooting of an innocent unarmed fisherman.

 

 

如果你願意為弱勢的受害者伸張正義,請按讚、轉寄、分享這個連結。謝謝。

If you would like to prevail the justice for victims, please press like, forward, and share this link. Thank you.

 

 

冷血謀殺

 

 

冷血謀殺2  

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  • lan0383
  • @@
  • 請問這篇懶人包 最後面可以加註"要求菲律賓政府公布影片 沒影片沒真相"的英文嗎?
    因為我覺得公布影片 才能把事情說清楚
    他們不公布 代表他們理虧
    國際上也有一堆人想看當時的影片吧
  • hoppie
  • 公佈才知道真相!不公佈是心虛嗎?
  • 菲律賓槍殺魚民事件紀錄片
  • 希望有導演可以把菲律賓槍殺魚民事件拍成紀錄片到各國參展

    如果可以把這整個事件前前後後整理
    包含兩年前菲警協持香港旅行團
    拍成紀錄片 然後送到各國參展
    而是那麼就可以讓大家知道
    菲律賓國家政府是什麼樣子的令人無法理解

    當然並不是要激起針對菲律賓民族的仇恨情緒
    因為還是有很多很好很好的菲國人民
    例如一直幫忙照顧陪著阿嬤的
    大家感念在心的 U-MI 跟其他可愛的菲國人們

    但是針對菲律賓總統與政府的無理與無禮
    以及這個事件而導致台灣在國際間錯誤的觀感與印象
    真得很希望有能夠有導正與獲得正義的機會

    也希望在台灣的大家,能夠理性對待在台一般菲籍平民
    畢竟如果可以選擇,她們應該也不希望出生在菲律賓
    就如同我們希望生在更加堅強的國家與政府
    這一切的發生都還是要針對菲律賓政府

    所以 還是希望有導演可以把這件事情拍成紀錄片
    因為真相始終只有一個...

  • Jayson Cafirma Quinones
  • Taiwan IS NOT recognized by the United Nations as a state. How can you claim your right to an Exclusive Economic Zone when Taiwan's existence as a nation is not even recognized by the United Nations itself? That area (at 123 degrees east and 20 degrees north, as you claim) is well within the Philippine Exclusive Economic Zone as recognized by the United Nations. Unless you win the recognition of the United Nations (which I doubt, even in the near future), the Philippines reserves the right to protect its own territory in any necessary manner.

    You say that Filipinos are barbarians. Taiwan imposed sanctions on the Philippines before taking the initiative to investigate the facts. That is NOT how a "civilized" nation like Taiwan is supposed to act.

    Taiwan also sent its investigators to the Philippines without duly notifying the Philippine Justice Department. That is breach of protocol. And that's NOT how a "civilized" nation is supposed to treat its "barbaric" neighbor.
  • Jayson Cafirma Quinones
  • With regards to Abigail Valte's smile. Did you even bother to ask yourself why she smiled?

    You should know that in the Philippines, smiling is one non-verbal sign which means that questions from other people are accepted.
  • 雅狄
  • People prevail the justice for victims
    Don't need recognized by the United Nations
  • Jayson Cafirma Quinones
  • You speak of justice, yet you reject legalities.
  • 小龜
  • 台灣是不是主權獨立的國家到干官菲律賓什麼事?
    你們如果不認同,菲勞來台工作請去找中國申請,航權談判請去找中國談!
    問題是這行得通嗎? 面對現況好嗎?
    不要出事了就說我們不是主權獨立的國家,想要好處就又默認這點!
    重點是~菲律賓政府對這件事的調查一點進度也沒有!
    只會耍嘴皮有什麼用!
    如果犯錯了~就道歉賠償,沒有錯~就提出證據讓大家相信!
    這樣很困難嗎?
  • 訪客
  • Do Philippine government,even their people, like saying things without evidence?

    Just read the articles below:

    1.http://ppt.cc/vKez
    2.http://www.seaaroundus.org/eez/157.aspx
    3.According to UNCLOS Article 1:

    2. (1) "States Parties" means States which have consented to be bound
    by this Convention and for which this Convention is in force.
    (2) This Convention applies mutatis mutandis to the entities
    referred to in article 305, paragraph l(b), (c), (d), (e) and (f), which become
    Parties to this Convention in accordance with the conditions relevant to each,
    and to that extent "States Parties" refers to those entities

    -

    These are evidences that Taiwan DO have right to an EEZ.Even you don't admit Taiwan is a nation ,it's still a entity.
    Using "One China Policy" to deny the overlapping EEZs or avoid giving an official apologies(formal apology which represent philippine government and stop saying it's an unexpected accident) to the fact of murdering is actually adopting an ostrich policy.
    How can you claim a cold blooded murder is necessary manner?
    Philippine government ignore the evidence (photos,bullet holes) collected by the investigators and give a false tale without any evidence.Why can't they just give out the video.What are they trying to hide?

    You should know that in the Taiwanese, killing is never right.We can forbear any unfairly referred policy and belated response to the event, but we cherish people's lives and we condemn violence.Why don't Filipino people do the same?

    The only things we need is the TRUTH and a SINCERE apology.
  • frodosu
  • Jayson Cafirma Quinones :
    Shamed on you, & your government!
    Something is unacceptable in our country, for example : Kill somebody.
    But to you is a usual incident?
    If you want to talk about the UN Law of the Sea, please check it again.
    We actually have Exclusive Economic Zone.
    It's doesn't matter, because the incident is happened at national area.
    And your government killed a fisherman from us with no sincere apology.
    We don't want to make it more worse,
    we just want the truth & some justice we deserved.
    Now, you and your country make it more and more terrible.
    If you are a smart person, don't just believe information from others.
    Just think about that, and try to find the real thing!
  • 訪客
  • Taiwan imposed sanctions on the Philippines because Philippines didn't give any OFFICIAL response a 72hrs warning.They sent a diplomat carrying an unauthorized letter only mention "Filipino people's deep regret" and apology over the "unfortunate and unintended loss of life".

    In the meeting, Taiwan Ministry of Foreign Affairs had to make Antonio I.Basilio take several phone calls to make sure the content in the letter in the meeting due to Philippine Government only sent a MSG saying that Antonio I.Basilio is going back to Taiwan.

    There's NO international press release.
    There's NO apology from government.

    Even so, imposing sanctions is far more civilized than killing.
  • Jayson Cafirma Quinones
  • @訪客 :Taiwan, at the time when the UNCLOS was signed, represented the whole of China. However, the UN no longer recognizes "Republic of China," and now recognizes the "People's Republic of China" in its place. Please read Article Article 305, par. 1c, which reads:

    "all self-governing associated States which have chosen that
    status in an act of self-determination supervised and approved
    by the United Nations in accordance with General Assembly
    resolution 1514 (XV) and which have competence over the
    matters governed by this Convention, including the competence
    to enter into treaties in respect of those matters"

    Using that provision alone, Taiwan cannot ratify the convention because its efforts on self-determination is not recognized by the United Nations. It cannot be recognized as a state party on the said ground.

    Going back to the issue, we cannot arrive to conclusions yet until the investigations are finished. Besides, you still need to go through proper protocol before the Philippines can jointly investigate the incident with Taiwanese investigators - coordinate with the Manila Economic and Cultural Office, which in turn will notify Philippine authorities about your intention to join the investigation. Until then, you are not supposed to interfere with the investigations.

    Why the need to follow the protocol? The Philippines has its own system, too. And no matter how "wretched" you view the system is, Taiwan must respect the Philippines' sovereignty and its rights as a sovereign state.
  • Jayson Cafirma Quinones
  • What about the shootout? There must be a reason behind the shooting. We are a peace-loving people, too. But it is human nature to defend himself in the face of danger.

    Don't just judge the fighting capability of something based on the size of the ship. It doesn't mean that something bigger - in this case, a boat of the Philippine Coast Guard, when compared to the fishing boat - always start the trouble.
  • Jayson Cafirma Quinones
  • How "official" do you want the apology to be? You must understand that any person sent by the President of the Republic of the Philippines actually represtnts the President himself. And the President is the Chief Executive of the Philippines.
  • Wincaster Chang
  • The Philippine vessel firing upon the Taiwanese fishing boat was a Philippine Government owned vessel. Therefore, the apology must be officially issued by the Government of Philippine. Philippine Government is merely using the so called "One China Policy" as an excuse to save its face.

  • Jayson Cafirma Quinones
  • @wincaster chang: Please read my previous comment.
  • Wincaster Chang
  • Jayson, I can't believe you take such an archaic view of UNCLOS and international law. Although the EEZ is a creation of UNCLOS, it is a widely recognized concept or principle of seasteaders. Taiwan certainly has adhered to the law just like the US, a non-ratifying country of UNCLOS, adhering to it. Despite your unwillingness to recognize Taiwan as a "State" because it is not an UN member, it does not erase the fact that Taiwan is a State de facto, meeting all definitions of a State in international law. It certainly is well within its own right to claim EEZ, whether you like it or not.
  • 訪客
  • Jayson Cafirma Quinones, a peace-loving people? How come a peace-loving people kill people?
  • Wincaster Chang
  • Jayson, I read your comments on the apology issue. Both the envoy of President Aquino and his spokesman have repeatedly stated that the apology was the President's personal apology, not the government's. Besides, Taiwan's demands is more than an apology. Perhaps, you'd think that what's a big deal of a fisherman dying whereas in your recent election alone, the death toll reached 70 as a result. Perhaps, this is where we differ on our views of humanity.
  • Jayson's mother
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  • Private Comment
  • Jayson Cafirma Quinones
  • @Wincaster Chang: I am very certain the Philippine Government would have done more than a personal apology from the President, if not for the "One China" policy. The President is certainly under pressure now because he had to ensure the safety of the Filipinos in Taiwan, as well as to maintain friendly relations with Taiwan - all of these, while maintaining a diplomatic relation with the People's Republic of China.

    A formal apology from the Philippine Government would certainly strain relations with PROC. And I believe you know very well the consequences of strained relations with the PROC. A fine example of which is Taiwan's failed attempts to be recognized at the United Nations - all because of China's manipulation. So please do not accuse the Philippine Government of using the One China policy to save its face. We all know that we (I mean the Philippines, Taiwan, and the other smaller nations and states in China's periphery) can't stand a chance against the Chinese in any confrontation unless the US comes and helps us.
    ======
    @訪客: Again, it's human nature to do something out of his means to protect himself, or for some other purpose. Whatever the real purpose of those in the sea that time, we will never know. And we also understand that whatever reactions the Taiwanese people have are also borne out of human nature - after all, one of your countrymen died in this incident. Even the reaction of "Jayson's mother" (who obviously is not my biological mother) is because of human nature.
  • Jayson Cafirma Quinones
  • @Wincaster Chang: I think you forgot one important element for international law to be effective; there must be consensus between the actors (whether it be a State or a Non-state actor). I do agree with what you said that as a de facto state, it has its own rights in having an EEZ for itself. What makes it very difficult for Taiwan now is the lack of recognition it receives from the international community - all because of China.

    The Philippines was in a similar situation in the late 19th century until the early years of the 20th century, too. Just as the First Philippine Republic was rising out of the Spanish colonial rule, an emerging superpower - the United States - has dampened our aspirations for freedom and independence. In those times, we have not received formal recognition from other states, too. We asserted we had sovereignty over the Philippines, yet the world chose to believe we were a part of the United States.

    What I've been trying to point out in all of my comments is this: all of us have been at fault. The Philippine Coast Guard may not have followed its rules of engagement properly. Taiwan imposed sanctions on the Philippines before knowing the findings of investigations. And what's worse, cooperation between our countries are impaired not because the Philippines would allow the impunity of those guilty, but because of foreign policy reconsiderations for the People's Republic of China. The problem may be very simple, but the means to solve these problems are too many and are too complicated to elaborate.
  • Jayson Cafirma Quinones
  • TWer : I do admit that some politicians here are greedy for power, because they have some of their enemies killed. But that does not mean that Filipinos in general are a violent people. -_-
  • TWer
  • @ Jayson Cafirma
    thanks for your prompt response
    We ppl in taiwan had already release evidences that we found that may prove your government is telling lies
    Now, we encourge your government to provide hard evidences like video , pictures, or any other available truth you can offer and stop telling lies and hidding truth
    thats all we need
  • Jayson Cafirma Quinones
  • I'm very sure the Philippine Government will release their findings when they are done with their investigation.
  • Wincaster Chang
  • Jayson, I read your comments with interest. If Philippine Government is so concerned about straining its relation with China, it'd not have initiated a naval standoff with China over a remote rocky outcrop in a disputed part of the sea last year and engaged in confrontation with China from time to time. In the current incident between our countries, China so far has taken the side of Taiwan. So, your "One China Policy" does not seem to work well.

    Regarding the int'l law issue of recognition, although Taiwan may not be as widely recognized as an UN member, it is recognized by more than 22 UN members. Thus, Taiwan has all the attributes of a State. As you are well aware, int'l law is merely a body of principles and to certain extent codification of them; there is no real enforcement authority. So, if Philippine wants to stand fast to the esoteric diplomatic jargons and formality and ignores Taiwan's demands, all Taiwan can do is to have its navy and coast guard to assert effective control over the entire EEZ. The sanctions imposed also would not be in both sides' interests.

    With respect to the investigation, Taiwan's investigation team and the Ministry of Justice have stated that its finding is preliminary. But, because the evidence is so strong in favor of the victim in this case (in terms of the number of bullet holes and where they were shot), allegations are made. It's the same as in an ordinary criminal case where a prosecutor takes a position before a trial, not to mention that the complexity of int'l. politics. There have been many other international precedents on a case like, in which many countries have taken much stronger stance than Taiwan. But, your points are well taken.
  • Jayson Cafirma Quinones
  • The Philippines already withdrew from the Scarborough Shoal to prevent further diplomatic rifts (and avert risks of actual shootouts in the area which could immediately heighten tensions) with China. After all, our Constitution renounces war as an instrument of national policy. But it has filed a case against China before the UN on the grounds that China's territorial claims has been "too much."

    With regards to China taking sides with Taiwan, always remember that China did that because it believed Taiwan is part of its territory.

    With regards to the official recognition issue, does the list include major powers? Absolutely not. And the preference of most countries to officially recognize China significantly impairs your guarantee of the protection of your interests under international law, even if you participate in international organizations.

    Non-adherence to international norms will only display (that is, if they do break the norms, which I doubt they will do) how ignorant your foreign policy makers are. It will also reaffirm the notion here that your president is taking advantage of this incident to raise his popularity among the Taiwanese. Apparently, President Ma has enjoyed low support from the Taiwanese public prior to this incident.

    I hope, too, that the Philippine Government will take necessary measures after the investigations have been finished.
  • Clei Torres
  • i understand flaring sentiments when somebody dies and we are always blinded by other possibilities things could have happened. just because the philippines is a poorer country doesn't mean ya'll can make racists comments and bullish demands. how dare you give us a warning of 72 hours. well you can shove your @$$ for 72 hours. obviously this page is very misleading, one sided opinion trying to make sense in taiwan's favor. you accuse pcg of extorting money from us, have you not crossed our borders, nobody's gonna extort you. guess you didn't learn your lesson coz stealing our resources and paying bribe is more profitable. can you stomach eating stolen sea food on your table? because last time i heard, taiwanese have been stealing our resources.
  • Wincaster Chang
  • Jayson, You obviously misunderstood my point. Your One China Policy does not work in this case because China is quite vocative in support of Taiwan in this incident. In my opinion, President Acquino does not need to be so submissive to such policy, given what's at stake here.

    On the issue of recognition, Taiwan has met the definition of a State under int'l law though the major powers do not recognize Taiwan diplomatically. They cannot ignore Taiwan's existence as a de facto State having its own right to declare and assert effective control over the 200 miles of EEZ. The US is not an UNCLOS signatory, are you then going to treat as if the US does not have right over EEZ?

    I don't see your point of non-adherence to int'l norm. Taiwan has adhered to int'l. norm under almost all int'l conventions as if it's a model student although it is not signatory to most of them.
  • Jayson Cafirma Quinones
  • Wincaster, you're the one who misunderstood my point and the motive behind China's backing of Taiwan. China is only supporting Taiwan because the former thinks the latter as one of its provinces. With that in mind, it is only natural for China to protect what it thinks are its interests.

    The case of the United States is a very different one because, while its Senate has not ratified the UNCLOS yet, it recognizes the Convention de facto, and hence is a state-party to the convention.

    Taiwan, on the other hand, is still impaired when the definition of a state-party set forth in (1) Article 305, paragraph 1c AND 1e, as well as; (2) Annex I, Resolution III, Declaration 1a of the UNCLOS are to be considered. Hence, Taiwan's very claim to an EEZ may be put into question when these provisions are concerned.

    What I was talking about (with regards to international norms) is your suggestion earlier that Taiwan would just assert its rights over its EEZ, when in fact your EEZ covers parts of Philippine territory.
  • Jayson Cafirma Quinones
  • *The case of the United States is a very different one because, while its Senate has not ratified the UNCLOS yet, it recognizes the Convention de facto, and has voluntarily complied to it since its adoption. It has also complied to the definition of a "state" set by the two clauses of the UNCLOS I mentioned earlier.
  • Wincaster Chang
  • Jayson, Of course, I know China's motive and position. My point was even if President Aquino bend over backward to comply with the One China Policy, China would not appreciate it as it is still very vocal against the Philippines in this incident. If Aquino is a bit more flexible, what can China do? Protesting against Philippines for government apology and compensation to the Taiwanese victims? China would irritate Taiwanese people if they do that.

    I respectfully differ on your interpretation of UNCLOS. Taiwan does recognize the Convention as well. Even assuming your denial of Taiwan's "State" status is correct, Taiwan is "entity sui generis" under UNCLOS and general int'l. law principles. On the other hand, Phillipines is an official UNCLOS signatory, its coast guard vessel's shooting is a clear violation of UNCLOS Article 110.

    At any rate, I appreciate your intellectual discussion and expression of views from your country's perspective.
  • Jayson Cafirma Quinones
  • *If Aquino is a bit more flexible, what can China do? Protesting against Philippines for government apology and compensation to the Taiwanese victims?
    >>Absolutely, because China does not recognize your sovereignty.

    Article 110? Our Coast guard ships aren't warships. Besides, the Philippines has the right to hot pursuit, as provided by Article 111.

    At this point, you may cite a Philippine violation of paragraph 3 of the said article. My question about that is this: is Taiwan's "temporary enforcement line" at 20 degrees north latitude, which serves as Taiwan's basis in claiming its own EEZ, legal AND internationally recognized?

    I would like to share this link from the United Nations website which shows legislation from the countries recognized as state-parties to the UNCLOS.
    http://www.un.org/Depts/los/LEGISLATIONANDTREATIES/asia.htm

    I understand that some of the Taiwanese are very angry with Filipinos now, but you still discussed with me in a professional tone. Thank you very much. :)
  • Patrick Shih
  • To:Jayson Cafirma Quinones
    我們先來假設一下喔~~!!假設我殺了你的老爸,然後我要求你先要成為某個組織的會員之後,你才有資格來跟我討論我為什麼要殺你老爸,你覺得公平嗎?這殺人跟參不參加組織有甚麼關係啊?簡直是胡扯~!!不參加組織就代表你老爸不是人喔,老天把你老爸生下來,不管他貧窮或富貴,就算你老爸是沒有國籍的私生子,也有他基本的人權啊~~!!假設你老爸在台灣被我殺了,我還誣衊他是壞蛋,是你老爸搶劫我,我才自衛殺人的啊~~!!聽到這樣的消息,那你會想要怎麼做??當然是要先了解真相囉~~!!結果,這邊檢察,司法,警察跟政府政府貪污腐敗橫行,全部被我買通了,你覺得你能討回公道嗎?那講道理無法讓正義無法伸張的話,你要是有槍的話你會怎麼做???

    To:Wincaster Chang
    我建議你不要掉入他引導的一中的陷阱裡面去,離題太遠了。這些都是釐清真相,案子完結後,漁權談判的所要討論的事情。
  • 你不認識我
  • To Jayson Cafirma Quinones

    We don't like excuses.

    "It is inside the Philippines' exclusive economic zone and waters set by international treaty limits." (from the article of your link)
    I'm not so professional as you, but I find one point here.
    Can you apply this without a treaty? Without a treaty, there should only be disputed waters there, not a boundary.

    If the PH government claim that Taiwan has no EEZ, there should be fierce response to it, I don't think it's a good method to solve problems.
  • repot
  • After this cold-blooded murder incident, we saw how ugly and corrupt the Philippine government is.
    There are too many lies from Philippine government, you can read a lot in this artical which is list by date.
    Why Philippine government need to hide the crucial video of this murder incident so many days?
    Why don't cooperate with our investigation???
    There are always excuse and lies.
    What are they afraid of ?? The truth ??
    That's not a news Philippine government is highly dishonesty and corrupt.
    How could they expect victims to trust their Philippine "Justice" department without any justice?
    Wait for Philippine investigation and then accept it? It must be a joke.

    We take this murder seriously.
    Philippine behave like pirates. We will treat them as pirates.
    Don't use valuation in Philippine to measure other human's life.

    Philippine government refuse to apologize to ROC but to PROC? That's fine. But remember that, when Philippine navy or official boat be sunk by our navy, please do declare war with PROC.

  • 酒空
  • 菲律賓人應該看不懂中文吧?
    這個對他們來說應該是很艱深的文字吧
    現在說話可要小心咧~~
    一不小心又被菲律賓人有心操作了!!
    到時候又有理由在那邊賴
    不過現在怎麼好像又石沉大海一樣...
    一點進展都沒有了...
    在水落石出之前不要讓這個事件沉到海裡阿!!
  • vendredi
  • Le gouvernmement dévalue chaque année.
    La cote de popularité du président a déjà beaucoup baissé.
    Ce problème salit l’image de l’gouvernmement.
    Ce n’est pas une tâche facile.
    # Pour bien jouer aux cartes, il faut savoir bluffer.#
    Combien de cartes as-gouvernmement en main?
    Où as-gouvernmement rangé la notice de ce problème?
    :)
  • vendredi
  • Taiwan, reprends énergie, courage.
    Je crois que les choses vont s’améliorer.
    :)

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